I am noticing that Thunderbird (TB) is dropping some subscribed ngs
over time - and thus forcing me to re-subscribe. And when that
happens, all previously "read" messages appear unread.

Anyone else experiencing that in your config?


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Hi! August,

On 01 Nov 2020, August Abolins said the following...

I am noticing that Thunderbird (TB) is dropping some subscribed ngs
over time - and thus forcing me to re-subscribe. And when that
happens, all previously "read" messages appear unread.

Anyone else experiencing that in your config?

Nope. Though I do use an old T'bird, version 31.7/Linux32 IIRC.

If you're having troubles with Tommi's system, then tell him. I did a 'refresh' on his NNTP on thr weekend, and chose a new group. No problems,
then or any other time.

Stay loose & have fun!

Cheers,
Paul.

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On 01/11/2020 7:56 p.m., Paul Quinn : August Abolins wrote:

Nope. Though I do use an old T'bird, version 31.7/Linux32
IIRC.

The problem first started on the older version of TB that I was
using on my XP laptop. Now I see ngs dropping on my my Win7 system
that has a much newer TB version.

Since it's happening to both TB's, and the common denominator is the
server, then the problem seems to be the server.

If you're having troubles with Tommi's system, then tell
him. I did a 'refresh' on his NNTP on thr weekend, and
chose a new group. No problems, then or any other time.

I have tried the Repair function on the ngs that had disappeared
after I resubscribed. But it seemed to make no difference - the odd
ng would drop off the local list again.

I have recently done a Refresh of the ng list. But, for now I just
keep TB running all the time. I don't shutdown the pc. I use
hibernate so that TB doesn't change.

Stay loose & have fun!

Hard to stay loose in these covid/stay-home/do-not-travel times.


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Hello Paul!

** On Monday 02.11.20 - 10:56, Paul Quinn wrote to August Abolins:

I am noticing that Thunderbird (TB) is dropping some
subscribed ngs over time - and thus forcing me to re-
subscribe. And when that happens, all previously "read"
messages appear unread.

Anyone else experiencing that in your config?

Nope. Though I do use an old T'bird, version 31.7/Linux32 IIRC.

If you're having troubles with Tommi's system, then tell
him. I did a 'refresh' on his NNTP on thr weekend, and
chose a new group. No problems, then or any other time.

UPDATE. TB was still insisting to drop ngs (usually the last
ones I would write to). Today, it failed completely - would
load - citing an error - and only offering to Quit or Restart
and send an error report to Mozilla.

That was version 68.0.7 32bit. Meanwhile, I uninstalled
that, and installed the most recent: 78.x 32bit. But the
same thing happened - it would fail to load.

Uninstalled that and installed the 64bit version. Partial
success. I was able to send a message or two, but the overall
performance was terrible and sluggish - almost using the
entire 4GB ram that I had.

The next time I went to load the program - fail, and it only
offered to Quit/Restart and send an error report.

I think TB on that particular system and its original
collection of ngs - is toast.

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** On Sunday 01.11.20 - 18:31, August Abolins wrote to All:

I am noticing that Thunderbird (TB) is dropping some
subscribed ngs over time - and thus forcing me to re-
subscribe. And when that happens, all previously "read"
messages appear unread.

Anyone else experiencing that in your config?

::::UPDATE: It appears that TB on my Win7 pc has given up.
Every reload attempt fails with the only options to either
Restart/Quit and/or send the debug report to Mozilla.

I feel so let down by TB. I had considered it to be extremely
reliable over the years.

Moving the Profile environment to another Win7 pc produces the
same results. It is having a problem with something in the
Profile set of files. I wonder if there is a way to exclude
(perhaps delete) some of the larger ng files and recover. I'd
hate to reconfig every server and all my email stuff.



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Hi! August,

On 09 Nov 20 22:28, you wrote to me:

I think TB on that particular system and its original
collection of ngs - is toast.

You can revert to an older version. (I did it myself, yonks ago.) IIRC, it;s on the Mozilla website. Do a search for 'go back to an old version of thunderbird'; it's in their knowledge base. Then, disable upgrades/updates forever!

That's how I'm still doing 31.4 (not .7). :)

Cheers,
Paul.

... Get gun. Shoot computer. Turn off lights. Go to bed.
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Hi! August,

On 09 Nov 20 22:28, you wrote to me:

I think TB on that particular system and its original
collection of ngs - is toast.

You can revert to an older version. (I did it myself, yonks ago.) IIRC, it;' on the Mozilla website. Do a search for 'go back to an old version of thunderbird'; it's in their knowledge base. Then, disable upgrades/updates forever!

That's how I'm still doing 31.4 (not .7). :)

Cheers,
Paul.

... "Crunch!, snap!, crackle!, pop!" goes the infantry.
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Hello Paul!

** On Tuesday 10.11.20 - 15:06, Paul Quinn wrote to August Abolins:

You can revert to an older version. (I did it myself,
yonks ago.) IIRC, it;' on the Mozilla website. Do a
search for 'go back to an old version of thunderbird';
it's in their knowledge base. Then, disable upgrades/
updates forever!

That's how I'm still doing 31.4 (not .7). :)

I used 2.0.0.24 on my XP system for a long time (as you might
be able to tell from messages in this echo if you go back far
enough). It was wonderful, and seemed very reliable. I don't
remember why I needed change. Now I am at 3.0.11. I think
it's the last version that works with XP.

But, having just loaded it up and take a look.. I see that it
has dropped ALL the ngs that I had Subscribed with rbb.bbs.fi.

:(

I am not sure that rolling back will help.

Something must be confusing in the .rc to fail? The
rbb.bbs.fi.rc file is about 260K in size. Trying to look at
it with Notepad++ caused an Explorer fail.



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11-09-20 23:47 August Abolins wrote to All about TB dropping ngs
Howdy! August,

@MSGID: <[email protected]>
@REPLY: <[email protected]>
** On Sunday 01.11.20 - 18:31, August Abolins wrote to All:

I am noticing that Thunderbird (TB) is dropping some
subscribed ngs over time - and thus forcing me to re-
subscribe. And when that happens, all previously "read"
messages appear unread.

Anyone else experiencing that in your config?

::::UPDATE: It appears that TB on my Win7 pc has given up.

Every reload attempt fails with the only options to either
Restart/Quit and/or send the debug report to Mozilla.

I feel so let down by TB. I had considered it to be extremely
reliable over the years.

Moving the Profile environment to another Win7 pc produces the
same results. It is having a problem with something in the
Profile set of files. I wonder if there is a way to exclude
(perhaps delete) some of the larger ng files and recover. I'd
hate to reconfig every server and all my email stuff.

Sorry to hear about Your TB problems.

I use TB on this XP 32-bit computer just for Email.
I tried once reading BBS messages in a newsgroup link but wasn't satisfied doing it that way.

Many years ago I thought to use TB's "Compact" option, thinking it would
reduce TB using some HDD Space, after Compacting finished TB's In-Box didn't have any messages in it.

I think I had over 1000 messages in the In-Box before I Compacted TB but
I never have been able to learn how I could had recovered those messages
back when they disappeared.

I had made some Sub-Directories below the In-Box Directory for storing
messages by Topic and the Compacting process didn't mess with the messages
I had put in those Sub-Directories.

See Tagline.

73 de Ed W9ODR . .

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Hello Ed!

** On Tuesday 10.11.20 - 10:59, Ed Vance wrote to August Abolins:

Sorry to hear about Your TB problems.

[snip]

Many years ago I thought to use TB's "Compact" option,
thinking it would reduce TB using some HDD Space, after
Compacting finished TB's In-Box didn't have any messages
in it.

Maybe you had another option enabled that told it to delete
messages that were older by a certain number of days?

But I just used Compact on my email folder and everything went
well. I did not see any extra switches or conditions to
configure.

Maybe you encountered a known bug in that version?

I think I had over 1000 messages in the In-Box before I
Compacted TB but I never have been able to learn how I
could had recovered those messages back when they
disappeared.

I can imagine the diappointment.

I had made some Sub-Directories below the In-Box
Directory for storing messages by Topic and the
Compacting process didn't mess with the messages I had
put in those Sub-Directories.

I am sure you were happy about that!


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