Hello All,

I managed to get Windows 11 stuffed onto an old HP Elite 8000 desktop using Rufus and the instructions in this guide:

https://tinyurl.com/yyujmckn (androidauthority.com)

I admittedly haven't worked with Windows in a while now but this install seemed to work okay though I know there will be issues later with updates and such. This was more of an experiement than anything else.

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On 05 Mar 22 15:51:01, Sean Dennis said the following to All:

I managed to get Windows 11 stuffed onto an old HP Elite 8000 desktop using Rufus and the instructions in this guide:

Mehhh, I didn't like it when I tried it... 11 I think is Microsoft trying to
be too much like Chrome-OS.

I see they're running a new commercial on TV touting the "faster gaming" capabilities... of which I could care less as I'm not a gamer.

What really was a big letdown was the way that you cannot have labels on taskbar items anymore, just icons. I see no logical reason for them to
change that behavior. And this becomes a real mess when working with multiple instances of the same program, document, spreadsheet etc.

And its 2022 and adding an IP printer is still a convoluted mess.

Nick

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** On Saturday 05.03.22 - 20:20, Nick Andre wrote to Sean Dennis:

I see they're running a new commercial on TV touting the
"faster gaming" capabilities... of which I could care less
as I'm not a gamer.

If it's the same commercial that I think it is, it also shows
some apparently good-looking people (assumingly smart) using
win11 for "high-speed" collaboration of updating art or
documents. :/ They are depicted as being very happy and
excited!

My question is, WHY the need for a Win11 commercial in the
first place? Is the market suffering somehow with people
staying with previous OS versions or perhaps trying Linux or
iOS for the first time?

What really was a big letdown was the way that you cannot
have labels on taskbar items anymore, just icons. I see no
logical reason for them to change that behavior. And this
becomes a real mess when working with multiple instances
of the same program, document, spreadsheet etc.

Maybe the aformentioned "smart" people do one THING at a time
anyway! LOL

And its 2022 and adding an IP printer is still a
convoluted mess.

That reminds me of the rigmarole that I went through to connect
an IP printer to my network at the shop. I was really excited
when it did finally work! But that was back with Win7. I'm
surprised that Win11 still doesn't address the IP printer issue
properly!
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On 05 Mar 22 21:31:00, August Abolins said the following to Nick Andre:

If it's the same commercial that I think it is, it also shows
some apparently good-looking people (assumingly smart) using
win11 for "high-speed" collaboration of updating art or
documents. :/ They are depicted as being very happy and
excited!

Yup, and am I ever glad I don't work with millenials.

They are so insufferable. Working to make the company their life's ambition.

They're the type that often send all kinds of nonsense emails after-hours or want to start "social clubs" in the office for more after-hours nonsense or think its soooooo awesome that the company rewards its workers with a
foosball table... as opposed to real rewards, like a Christmas bonus.

They truly believe in making "friends" with the people they work with, then
act so surprised when that coworker up and quits, or backstabs them, or steps over them for a promotion, or takes credit for some stupid project.

They come in every monday yacking about the evils of American capitalism but yack about how cool the latest Iphone is while on their way to Starbucks while getting ready to tweet about whatever was streaming on Netflix last night.

They also support such bright ideas as morning exercise/yoga for all staff prior to work. So you get a workout, and smell like the Netherlands.

Totally insufferable.

My question is, WHY the need for a Win11 commercial in the
first place? Is the market suffering somehow with people
staying with previous OS versions or perhaps trying Linux or
iOS for the first time?

Mac's and Chromebooks actually.

And its 2022 and adding an IP printer is still a
convoluted mess.

That reminds me of the rigmarole that I went through to connect
an IP printer to my network at the shop. I was really excited
when it did finally work! But that was back with Win7. I'm
surprised that Win11 still doesn't address the IP printer issue
properly!

Its just such a mess. I *swear* the first iteration of Windows 11 prompted to "Insert the driver disk into the disk drive."

Pretty sure they quietly patched that to just "Specify the location of the drivers".

Nick

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They're the type that [...]
think its soooooo awesome that the company rewards its workers with a foosball table... as opposed to real rewards, like a Christmas bonus.

[...snip...]

They come in every monday yacking about the evils of American capitalism but yack about how cool the latest Iphone is while on their way to Starbucks while
getting ready to tweet about whatever was streaming on Netflix last night.

LOL, the people I am familiar with who act like that are usually (1) from
one of the larger nearby cities, and (2) are around my age or older. In
other words, near or over 50. :)

The worst ones are the ones who would get on someone for driving a car they didn't think was environmentally friendly enough while defending their
right to drive the least-environmentally friendly SUV on the market ("because
I have to haul my kids to soccer/baseball/something!" -- because I need it
and should have it but you shouldn't have a right to).

Mike


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Nick Andre wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

Mehhh, I didn't like it when I tried it... 11 I think is Microsoft
trying to be too much like Chrome-OS.

I've heard that and trying to be like OS X also (stealing stylistic clues).

I see they're running a new commercial on TV touting the "faster
gaming" capabilities... of which I could care less as I'm not a gamer.

I'm not sure what they're getting at. I watch a lot of streamers on Twitch that do play current games and even on big fancy (and expensive) computers
like top-end Alienware, Windows still bombs out badly. Doubly so if it's a vtuber (virtual avatar) streamer playing a video game under Windows. Their avatar will just either freeze or completely disappear because Windows
breaks under the load.

I'd thought about streaming games but what I'd do is have a Windows box to
play the game and then a good Linux-based system (say a HP Z800 workstation) with a good AMD/ATI graphics card running OBS to handle the actual stream encoding via a capture card that can capture the Windows box's video output.

What really was a big letdown was the way that you cannot have labels
on taskbar items anymore, just icons. I see no logical reason for them
to change that behavior. And this becomes a real mess when working with multiple instances of the same program, document, spreadsheet etc.

I do not know why they keep breaking/removing/hiding features like that. Instead they go crazy fixing stuff that isn't broken like Notepad.

And its 2022 and adding an IP printer is still a convoluted mess.

That's always been a mess and lower down on the priority list for MS, I
guess.

-- Sean

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August Abolins wrote to Nick Andre <=-

If it's the same commercial that I think it is, it also shows
some apparently good-looking people (assumingly smart) using
win11 for "high-speed" collaboration of updating art or
documents. :/ They are depicted as being very happy and
excited!

You can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig. <G>

If Microsoft wanted a good product, they'd start at the kernel and work
their way outward. But it's a mediocre product at best that could be so
much more if M$ wanted to but since Windows is no longer their cash cow
(Azure and Office 365 subscriptions are), they don't care.

-- Sean

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Mike Powell wrote to NICK ANDRE <=-

The worst ones are the ones who would get on someone for driving a car they didn't think was environmentally friendly enough while defending their right to drive the least-environmentally friendly SUV on the
market ("because I have to haul my kids to soccer/baseball/something!"
-- because I need it and should have it but you shouldn't have a right to).

They also think that Windows is the best thing since sliced bread too,
right? <G>

-- Sean

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The worst ones are the ones who would get on someone for driving a car they didn't think was environmentally friendly enough while defending their right to drive the least-environmentally friendly SUV on the market ("because I have to haul my kids to soccer/baseball/something!" -- because I need it and should have it but you shouldn't have a right to).

They also think that Windows is the best thing since sliced bread too,
right? <G>

They did at the time. Java was also the future. :)

Mike


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Nick Andre wrote to August Abolins <=-

Yup, and am I ever glad I don't work with millenials.

They are so insufferable. Working to make the company their life's ambition.

They're the type that often send all kinds of nonsense emails
after-hours or want to start "social clubs" in the office for more after-hours nonsense or think its soooooo awesome that the company
rewards its workers with a foosball table... as opposed to real
rewards, like a Christmas bonus.

They truly believe in making "friends" with the people they work with, then act so surprised when that coworker up and quits, or backstabs
them, or steps over them for a promotion, or takes credit for some
stupid project.

We're older and wiser now.

I worked at a company early in my career that fostered the vicious circle of "work long hours while company pays for dinner, great coffee and diversions, then you don't have a social life outside of work, spend your time away from work with co-workers and start dating them."

It was all well and good until the company pivoted and laid off a third of their staff. Couples were split up, one still working at the company that
had fired their partner.

My co-sysop worked with me at the time. He continually reminded people that "THE COMPANY IS NOT YOUR FRIEND!"

Your obligation to the company and theirs to you ends with every paycheck.

Once you learn that lesson, work takes on a new meaning.

They come in every monday yacking about the evils of American
capitalism but yack about how cool the latest Iphone is while on their
way to Starbucks while getting ready to tweet about whatever was
streaming on Netflix last night.

They also support such bright ideas as morning exercise/yoga for all
staff prior to work. So you get a workout, and smell like the
Netherlands.

Totally insufferable.

My question is, WHY the need for a Win11 commercial in the
first place? Is the market suffering somehow with people
staying with previous OS versions or perhaps trying Linux or
iOS for the first time?

Mac's and Chromebooks actually.

And its 2022 and adding an IP printer is still a
convoluted mess.

That reminds me of the rigmarole that I went through to connect
an IP printer to my network at the shop. I was really excited
when it did finally work! But that was back with Win7. I'm
surprised that Win11 still doesn't address the IP printer issue
properly!

Its just such a mess. I *swear* the first iteration of Windows 11
prompted to "Insert the driver disk into the disk drive."

Pretty sure they quietly patched that to just "Specify the location of
the drivers".

Nick

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Re: Re: Installing Windows 11 on unsupported
By: Sean Dennis to Nick Andre on Mon Mar 07 2022 06:47 pm

I do not know why they keep breaking/removing/hiding features like that. Instead they go crazy fixing stuff that isn't broken like Notepad.

I don't know about Windows 11, but the notepad.exe up to and including Windows 10 is pretty bad.
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I don't know about Windows 11, but the notepad.exe up to and including Windows 10 is pretty bad.

More or less exactly the same, I'm afraid. But, just like with Edge, there are plenty of better alternatives! (o_-)

I like notepad++ myself.

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Re: Re: Installing Windows 11 on unsupported
By: Shaun Buzza to Rob Swindell on Sat Mar 19 2022 05:43 pm

I like notepad++ myself.

Yup, I use it daily.
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Rob Swindell wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

I don't know about Windows 11, but the notepad.exe up to and including Windows 10 is pretty bad.

My point was there is a lot more to fix in Windows than a creaky text
editor. Instead, M$ is trying to turn Windows into OS X.

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I don't know about Windows 11, but the notepad.exe up to and includin Windows 10 is pretty bad.

My point was there is a lot more to fix in Windows than a creaky text editor. Instead, M$ is trying to turn Windows into OS X.

And why not? In their eyes, OS X is their only competitor. Remove any differences, and that competition changes...

Meanwhile, there's a quiet penguin out there, gaining popularity, eating into their precious 'market share', and it isn't even trying to compete.

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Quoting Shaun Buzza to Sean Dennis <=-

Meanwhile, there's a quiet penguin out there, gaining popularity,
eating into their precious 'market share', and it isn't even trying to compete.

Go little penguin. :-)

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Shaun Buzza wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

And why not? In their eyes, OS X is their only competitor. Remove any differences, and that competition changes...

That's not my point. My point is that instead of fixing what needs to be
fixed and making Windows more stable, Microsoft is busy working on things
that really don't matter in the long run.

Meanwhile, there's a quiet penguin out there, gaining popularity,
eating into their precious 'market share', and it isn't even trying to compete.

As much as I love Linux, it will never become popular because, quite
frankly, a majority of the computer users these days are not smart enough
nor do they want to know how to do anything themselves on their computer
under the hood.

That's why there's a captive audience for Microsoft products even as badly written as they are.

In the same breath, however, I made a career out of wiping Windows' ass so I can't complain. <G>

About the only reason I'd want a Windows box these days is for gaming but
even that is becoming narrowed thanks to things like Steam though there is still a very wide gap in that respect.

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And why not? In their eyes, OS X is their only competitor. Remove any differences, and that competition changes...

That's not my point. My point is that instead of fixing what needs to be fixed and making Windows more stable, Microsoft is busy working on things that really don't matter in the long run.

I have to agree with you there. Their insistance on forcing Edge on every user is a perfect example.

Meanwhile, there's a quiet penguin out there, gaining popularity, eating into their precious 'market share', and it isn't even trying t compete.

As much as I love Linux, it will never become popular because, quite frankly, a majority of the computer users these days are not smart enough nor do they want to know how to do anything themselves on their computer under the hood.

I think it has more to do with the sheer number of availiable versions of Linux, rather than its *percieved* complexity.

I sat down with the eight-year-old daughter of a friend, with a blank laptop that I was donating to her, and a copy of...I think it was Mint...Either way, she had no problem installing and using it, and continues to do so now, six years later.

I know, not the best example. Younger people are far faster at learning
things. But the point remains: to the end user, Linux is no more difficult to use than Windows. When things get screwed up, obviously that changes, but the same can be said for Windows.

I haven't mentioned OS X here, as it's nearly the same as Linux, especially
in that example.

About the only reason I'd want a Windows box these days is for gaming but even that is becoming narrowed thanks to things like Steam though there
is still a very wide gap in that respect.

And that's why I still have Windows on my gaming tower. Gaming on Linux is definitely not the same as gaming on Windows, and much of that can be blamed
on hardware companies refusing to provide open source drivers (looking at
you, nVidia!).

However, I daresay that's the only way someone could claim that Windows is 'better' than Linux. For day-to-day use, it's a wash; they're effectively the same.

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