• nano editor

    From Amessyroom@1:103/705 to All on Fri Jul 5 12:32:25 2024
    Receiving following error when I try to use nano to
    edit a message (send to local user)

    Error opening terminal: pc3 .Aborted

    https://wiki.synchro.net/howto:editor:nano?s%5B%5D=nano

    Configured it following above wiki notes.

    Has this been encountered before? Didn't see any entries
    in error.log either.

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  • From kk4qbn@1:103/705 to Amessyroom on Fri Jul 5 17:55:59 2024
    Re: nano editor
    By: Amessyroom to All on Fri Jul 05 2024 12:32:25

    Error opening terminal: pc3 .Aborted

    https://wiki.synchro.net/howto:editor:nano?s%5B%5D=nano

    Configured it following above wiki notes.

    Has this been encountered before? Didn't see any entries in error.log either.

    in sbbs.ini try setting this:

    under [BBS]

    ExternalTermANSI = pc3

    this might work for you
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  • From nelgin@1:103/705 to Amessyroom on Fri Jul 5 17:48:10 2024
    On Fri, 5 Jul 2024 12:32:25 -0400
    "Amessyroom" (VERT/TL-QWK) <VERT/TL-QWK![email protected]>
    wrote:
    Receiving following error when I try to use nano to
    edit a message (send to local user)

    Error opening terminal: pc3 .Aborted

    https://wiki.synchro.net/howto:editor:nano?s%5B%5D=nano

    Configured it following above wiki notes.

    Has this been encountered before? Didn't see any entries
    in error.log either.

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    ExternalTermDumb=dumb
    ExternalTermANSI=ansi-bbs
    in sbbs.ini works fine for me. You'll want to make sure you install
    ansi-bbs per install instructions.
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  • From Amessyroom@1:103/705 to nelgin on Sat Jul 6 05:22:04 2024
    Re: Re: nano editor
    By: nelgin to Amessyroom on Fri Jul 05 2024 05:48 pm

    On Fri, 5 Jul 2024 12:32:25 -0400
    "Amessyroom" (VERT/TL-QWK) <VERT/TL-QWK![email protected]> wrote:
    Receiving following error when I try to use nano to
    edit a message (send to local user)

    Error opening terminal: pc3 .Aborted

    https://wiki.synchro.net/howto:editor:nano?s%5B%5D=nano

    Configured it following above wiki notes.

    Has this been encountered before? Didn't see any entries
    in error.log either.

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    ExternalTermDumb=dumb
    ExternalTermANSI=ansi-bbs
    in sbbs.ini works fine for me. You'll want to make sure you install
    ansi-bbs per install instructions.

    Thanks

    https://wiki.synchro.net/install:nix:termcaps?s%5B%5D=termcap

    Trying it now...

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  • From Amessyroom@1:103/705 to nelgin on Sat Jul 6 05:30:13 2024
    Re: Re: nano editor
    By: Amessyroom to nelgin on Sat Jul 06 2024 05:22 am

    Re: Re: nano editor
    By: nelgin to Amessyroom on Fri Jul 05 2024 05:48 pm

    Thanks

    https://wiki.synchro.net/install:nix:termcaps?s%5B%5D=termcap

    Trying it now...
    Edited with nano! Great. Although, I prefer another editor that I will have
    to try. LOL

    Thanks. I have a lot of sysadmin friends,who will feel at home with
    this editor.

    Amessyroom

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  • From nelgin@1:103/705 to Amessyroom on Sat Jul 6 10:32:20 2024
    Re: Re: nano editor
    By: Amessyroom to nelgin on Sat Jul 06 2024 05:30:13

    Thanks. I have a lot of sysadmin friends,who will feel at home with
    this editor.

    Real admins use vi

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  • From phigan@1:103/705 to Amessyroom on Sat Jul 6 08:50:58 2024
    Re: Re: nano editor
    By: Amessyroom to nelgin on Sat Jul 06 2024 05:30 am

    Thanks. I have a lot of sysadmin friends,who will feel at home with
    this editor.

    Gross.

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  • From Errol Casey@1:3634/58 to nelgin on Sat Jul 6 12:14:47 2024
    Agree. Vim was the second editor I installed and is what I use daily
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  • From DaiTengu@1:103/705 to Amessyroom on Mon Jul 8 14:11:36 2024
    Re: Re: nano editor
    By: Amessyroom to nelgin on Sat Jul 06 2024 05:30 am

    Edited with nano! Great. Although, I prefer another editor that I will have to try. LOL

    Thanks. I have a lot of sysadmin friends,who will feel at home with this editor.

    Nano supremacy. Down with vi(m) and emacs.
    make sure ^Z (suspend) is disabled. also, M-Z (alt-z) will enable/disable suspend.

    also, if you're setting up vi(m), users can drop to a shell with it, (in more than one way)

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  • From DaiTengu@1:103/705 to nelgin on Mon Jul 8 14:13:02 2024
    Re: Re: nano editor
    By: nelgin to Amessyroom on Sat Jul 06 2024 10:32 am

    Real admins use vi

    those of us who use nano sit back and watch the vi(m)/emacs users battle it out. when all is said and done, we'll get to loot the corpses.

    ...A closed mouth gathers no foot.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@1:103/705 to DaiTengu on Tue Jul 9 07:12:00 2024
    DaiTengu wrote to nelgin <=-

    those of us who use nano sit back and watch the vi(m)/emacs users
    battle it out. when all is said and done, we'll get to loot the
    corpses.

    I never liked nano/pico for editing config files, but it brings back
    fond memories of when my interation with the web was a shell account
    with email, news, gopher and the occasional web site with Lynx.

    It's great for long-form posting in any one of those forums. Fora?



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  • From Accession@1:103/705 to DaiTengu on Tue Jul 9 18:45:38 2024
    On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 19:13:02 -0500, you wrote:

    Real admins use vi

    those of us who use nano sit back and watch the vi(m)/emacs users
    battle it out. when all is said and done, we'll get to loot the corpses.

    You know, that's probably the best way I've seen it described yet. :)

    I love nano, and use it as my *only* Linux editor. However, I don't really have any place (or a care in the world, really) saying it's any better than any other editor out there.

    Use what you want! That's why there's a bunch of different options out there!

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Accession@1:103/705 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Jul 9 18:49:56 2024
    On Tue, 9 Jul 2024 12:12:00 -0700, you wrote:

    I never liked nano/pico for editing config files, but it brings back
    fond memories of when my interation with the web was a shell account
    with email, news, gopher and the occasional web site with Lynx.

    All depends on what options you use, really. You can softwrap at your screen width, at word boundaries (or not) even. Or you can hardwrap at whatever column you wish to. Heck you can even syntax highlight your config files if you wish to do so.

    It's great for long-form posting in any one of those forums. Fora?

    Not only do I use it to edit config files, or write text files, I use it as my external editor with Golded as well as my console nntp client, too! :)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Gamgee@1:103/705 to Accession on Tue Jul 9 20:10:00 2024
    Accession wrote to DaiTengu <=-

    those of us who use nano sit back and watch the vi(m)/emacs users
    battle it out. when all is said and done, we'll get to loot the corpses.

    You know, that's probably the best way I've seen it described yet. :)

    Yep, perfect. Although I think the number of emacs users out in the
    wild is dwindling fast.

    I love nano, and use it as my *only* Linux editor. However, I don't
    really have any place (or a care in the world, really) saying it's any better than any other editor out there.

    Same here, I use it for 90% of what I write (including this message). I
    do sometimes use a GUI editor (either Mousepad or Featherpad) too. Also
    I sometimes use vim to edit Synchronet files, as vim can insert Ctrl-A
    codes and I don't know of any other that can. If you care to do that,
    you just do a Ctrl-V and then a Ctrl-A, and the Ctrl-A is inserted,
    looks like a carat ("^"). I find it useful for quick and dirty edits.

    Use what you want! That's why there's a bunch of different options out there!

    The power of Linux. :-)



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  • From DaiTengu@1:103/705 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Jul 10 07:17:19 2024
    Re: Re: nano editor
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to DaiTengu on Tue Jul 09 2024 07:12 am

    those of us who use nano sit back and watch the vi(m)/emacs users battle
    it out. when all is said and done, we'll get to loot the corpses.

    I never liked nano/pico for editing config files, but it brings back fond memories of when my interation with the web was a shell account with email, news, gopher and the occasional web site with Lynx.

    Yep, I first used it as 'pico' with PINE for e-mail. pico wasn't open source, so someone created nano as a clone, and here we are.

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  • From Doug Hall@1:103/705 to DaiTengu on Wed Jul 10 15:03:16 2024
    Re: Re: nano editor
    By: DaiTengu to Amessyroom on Mon Jul 08 2024 14:11:36

    also, if you're setting up vi(m), users can drop to a shell with it, (in more than one way)

    That's what rvim is for, restricts the ability to run shell commands or suspend vim.

    Symlinking vim to rvim, if it doesn't exist, should enable the 'restricted' functionality.

    -Doug

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  • From Mike Powell@1:103/705 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Wed Jul 10 07:38:00 2024
    I never liked nano/pico for editing config files, but it brings back
    fond memories of when my interation with the web was a shell account
    with email, news, gopher and the occasional web site with Lynx.

    Yep, I remember the old shell account. pine and tin both used nano as
    their default editor. I sometimes miss having such an account.


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  • From phigan@1:103/705 to DaiTengu on Wed Jul 10 09:37:57 2024
    Re: Re: nano editor
    By: DaiTengu to nelgin on Mon Jul 08 2024 02:13 pm

    those of us who use nano sit back and watch the vi(m)/emacs users battle it out. when all is said and done, we'll get to loot the corpses.

    You'll never have the chance, because "when all is said and done" there will just be vi users! :D

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  • From Accession@1:103/705 to Gamgee on Wed Jul 10 17:52:10 2024
    On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 01:10:00 -0500, you wrote:

    Yep, perfect. Although I think the number of emacs users out in the
    wild is dwindling fast.

    Probably. I just checked to see if it was available via my package manager and it listed 74 dependencies to install alongside it. No thanks!

    Does emacs require a window manager? From all the dependencies as well as screenshots on Wikipedia, it seems like it does.

    Same here, I use it for 90% of what I write (including this message). I
    do sometimes use a GUI editor (either Mousepad or Featherpad) too. Also
    I sometimes use vim to edit Synchronet files, as vim can insert Ctrl-A codes and I don't know of any other that can. If you care to do that,
    you just do a Ctrl-V and then a Ctrl-A, and the Ctrl-A is inserted,
    looks like a carat ("^"). I find it useful for quick and dirty edits.

    That's good to know. I usually just get frustrated trying to remember if I'm in read mode or edit mode (usually read mode, because when I try to type anything it doesn't work, lol).

    With nano, I've just gotten used to copying an existing CTRL-A code and pasting it wherever I want to put a new one. Then again, I try to do most of the work before I convert, and sometimes convert it back to ANSI to do my edits, so it's not very often.


    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Accession@1:103/705 to Doug Hall on Wed Jul 10 17:58:46 2024
    On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 20:03:16 +0000, you wrote:

    That's what rvim is for, restricts the ability to run shell commands or suspend vim.

    Not sure rvim is much of a thing any more. They probably just built it in so they didn't have to maintain two separate binaries.

    Symlinking vim to rvim, if it doesn't exist, should enable the 'restricted' functionality.

    VIM - Vi IMproved 9.1 (2024 Jan 02, compiled Jul 05 2024 21:50:54)

    -Z Restricted mode (like "rvim")

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Amessyroom@1:103/705 to Doug Hall on Wed Jul 10 14:45:38 2024
    Re: Re: nano editor
    By: Doug Hall to DaiTengu on Wed Jul 10 2024 03:03 pm

    Re: Re: nano editor
    By: DaiTengu to Amessyroom on Mon Jul 08 2024 14:11:36

    also, if you're setting up vi(m), users can drop to a shell with it, (in more than one way)

    That's what rvim is for, restricts the ability to run shell commands or susp vim.

    Symlinking vim to rvim, if it doesn't exist, should enable the 'restricted' functionality.

    And there is a -Z command line argument that makes it work in "restricted mode".

    Thanks for the warnings, I hope I have things covered.

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  • From Gamgee@1:103/705 to Accession on Wed Jul 10 19:33:00 2024
    Accession wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Yep, perfect. Although I think the number of emacs users out in the
    wild is dwindling fast.

    Probably. I just checked to see if it was available via my package
    manager and it listed 74 dependencies to install alongside it. No
    thanks!

    Yeah I don't ever install it. Tried to look at it years ago and it was quickly obvious that it wasn't something I wanted.

    Does emacs require a window manager? From all the dependencies as well
    as screenshots on Wikipedia, it seems like it does.

    LOL I think emacs actually *is* a window manager, among a hundred other things.

    Same here, I use it for 90% of what I write (including this message). I
    do sometimes use a GUI editor (either Mousepad or Featherpad) too. Also
    I sometimes use vim to edit Synchronet files, as vim can insert Ctrl-A codes and I don't know of any other that can. If you care to do that,
    you just do a Ctrl-V and then a Ctrl-A, and the Ctrl-A is inserted,
    looks like a carat ("^"). I find it useful for quick and dirty edits.

    That's good to know. I usually just get frustrated trying to remember
    if I'm in read mode or edit mode (usually read mode, because when I try
    to type anything it doesn't work, lol).

    ACK. I've gotten into the habit of remembering this: I just press "i" immediately upon opening vim, to put me in "insert" mode. Now you're
    ready to actually do something. :-)

    With nano, I've just gotten used to copying an existing CTRL-A code and pasting it wherever I want to put a new one. Then again, I try to do
    most of the work before I convert, and sometimes convert it back to
    ANSI to do my edits, so it's not very often.

    Yes, for something big/original, I'll do it in ANSI (with TheDraw) and
    then run it through the 'ans2asc' converter to get a (Ctrl-A) .asc file.
    The technique I mentioned above is when I might want to change only a
    line or two, or a color, in an existing .asc/.msg file.



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  • From Accession@1:103/705 to Gamgee on Thu Jul 11 20:30:16 2024
    On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 00:33:00 -0500, you wrote:

    That's good to know. I usually just get frustrated trying to remember
    if I'm in read mode or edit mode (usually read mode, because when
    I try to type anything it doesn't work, lol).

    ACK. I've gotten into the habit of remembering this: I just press "i" immediately upon opening vim, to put me in "insert" mode. Now you're
    ready to actually do something. :-)

    I installed it out of curiosity. I may actually be able to use it with "vim -y" which puts it in "easy mode" or modeless. Straight to insert mode, no using read mode, no collecting 200 headaches. :)

    Also, unlike vi there's no squiggly lines at the beginning of every line. So it actually *looks* like an editor! Also, in easy mode (I don't know if it ever worked in the normal mode, CTRL-Q prompts you to save before .. EXITING! ":q" and ":q!" is a stupid way to exit .. anything.

    The technique I mentioned above is when I might want to change only a
    line or two, or a color, in an existing .asc/.msg file.

    Yep, I've definitely done that before, too. That's where I just copy the CTRL-A code once, then I can right click/paste it wherever I need it.

    I've kept vim installed, maybe I'll play with it a bit more before realizing nano is so much easier. lol

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Gamgee@1:103/705 to Accession on Thu Jul 11 21:50:00 2024
    Accession wrote to Gamgee <=-

    That's good to know. I usually just get frustrated trying to remember
    if I'm in read mode or edit mode (usually read mode, because when
    I try to type anything it doesn't work, lol).

    ACK. I've gotten into the habit of remembering this: I just press "i" immediately upon opening vim, to put me in "insert" mode. Now you're
    ready to actually do something. :-)

    I installed it out of curiosity. I may actually be able to use it with "vim -y" which puts it in "easy mode" or modeless. Straight to insert mode, no using read mode, no collecting 200 headaches. :)

    Haha, didn't know about "easy mode". I'm too entrenched with the tiny
    bit I know about using it to try and change anything more though. LOL,
    I'll just keep hitting "i" immediately.

    Also, unlike vi there's no squiggly lines at the beginning of every
    line. So it actually *looks* like an editor! Also, in easy mode (I
    don't know if it ever worked in the normal mode, CTRL-Q prompts you to save before .. EXITING! ":q" and ":q!" is a stupid way to exit .. anything.

    No argument about that "syntax". I have additional muscle memory where
    I just press " ESC : wq " and it saves and exits. That's engrained in
    my brain and can't risk trying to change as it may get flushed. hahaha

    The technique I mentioned above is when I might want to change only a
    line or two, or a color, in an existing .asc/.msg file.

    Yep, I've definitely done that before, too. That's where I just copy
    the CTRL-A code once, then I can right click/paste it wherever I need
    it.

    Never even thought of trying that, almost surprised it works. But cool.

    I've kept vim installed, maybe I'll play with it a bit more before realizing nano is so much easier. lol

    Oh, you already do realize that, as do I. :-)

    Literally the only thing I ever use vim for is the above-mentioned minor
    edits to a display file with Ctrl-A codes in it. Everything else is
    done with nano.

    Regards,
    Dan



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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to Gamgee on Thu Jul 11 20:27:30 2024
    Re: Re: nano editor
    By: Gamgee to Accession on Thu Jul 11 2024 09:50 pm

    No argument about that "syntax". I have additional muscle memory where
    I just press " ESC : wq " and it saves and exits. That's engrained in
    my brain and can't risk trying to change as it may get flushed. hahaha

    I originally learned to press Ctrl-[ on a terminal without an escape key back in 1990. I still have this muscle memory when using vi/vim to this day. And it's quicker thatn reaching for the (far away) ESC key anyway! :-)
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  • From Gamgee@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Fri Jul 12 07:41:00 2024
    Digital Man wrote to Gamgee <=-

    No argument about that "syntax". I have additional muscle memory where
    I just press " ESC : wq " and it saves and exits. That's engrained in
    my brain and can't risk trying to change as it may get flushed. hahaha

    I originally learned to press Ctrl-[ on a terminal without an escape
    key back in 1990. I still have this muscle memory when using vi/vim to this day. And it's quicker thatn reaching for the (far away) ESC key anyway! :-)

    Haha, nice! I had to go open vim to test this, and of course it does
    work. LOL Seems like more work to me though, needing to move 2 hands
    instead of one. I'll have to give you a +1 for style but a -1 for
    efficiency. ;-)




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@1:103/705 to Mike Powell on Tue Aug 13 06:30:00 2024
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    Yep, I remember the old shell account. pine and tin both used nano as their default editor. I sometimes miss having such an account.

    If I had a screen multiplexer like tmux back then, I would have kept a
    shell account a lot longer. To be able to have separate windows with
    mail, a shell for regular work, one for news, another with Lynx - that
    would have been nice.



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  • From Gamgee@1:103/705 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Aug 13 21:55:00 2024
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Mike Powell <=-

    Mike Powell wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

    Yep, I remember the old shell account. pine and tin both used nano as their default editor. I sometimes miss having such an account.

    If I had a screen multiplexer like tmux back then, I would have kept a shell account a lot longer. To be able to have separate windows with
    mail, a shell for regular work, one for news, another with Lynx - that would have been nice.

    Ummmmm..... 'screen' ?



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@1:103/705 to Gamgee on Wed Aug 14 07:19:00 2024
    Gamgee wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    If I had a screen multiplexer like tmux back then, I would have kept a shell account a lot longer. To be able to have separate windows with
    mail, a shell for regular work, one for news, another with Lynx - that would have been nice.

    Ummmmm..... 'screen' ?

    Yeah, but I didn't know about screen back then. :|


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  • From Gamgee@1:103/705 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Aug 14 11:21:00 2024
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Gamgee wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    If I had a screen multiplexer like tmux back then, I would have kept a shell account a lot longer. To be able to have separate windows with
    mail, a shell for regular work, one for news, another with Lynx - that would have been nice.

    Ummmmm..... 'screen' ?

    Yeah, but I didn't know about screen back then. :|

    Ahhh, OK. :)



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