I wonder if someone could give me a simple statement as to
what the discussion in this echo is about? I have sampled
a few messages, but am still at a complete loss.
Echo successfully Added.
On 09-04-20 08:30, August Abolins <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Question <=-
** On Friday 04.09.20 - 01:25, Dale Shipp wrote to All:
I wonder if someone could give me a simple statement as to
what the discussion in this echo is about? I have sampled
a few messages, but am still at a complete loss.
It's in the ELIST. Duplicated for your convenience:
Your response does nothing to answer the question. The Elist is a
generic thing. I see much discussion here that seems to be quite specific, mentioning terms like telegraph, gates, etc. I was wondering what the discussion was about.
Your response does nothing to answer the question...
On 09-05-20 11:25, Stas Mishchenkov <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Question <=-
Your response does nothing to answer the question. The Elist is a
generic thing. I see much discussion here that seems to be quite specific, mentioning terms like telegraph, gates, etc. I was wondering what the discussion was about.
Are you interested in what the echo conference is all about
or specifically in the discussion of the Telegram Gate? So
what exactly can I explain to you about the discussion of
the Telegram gate?
On 09-05-20 17:22, August Abolins <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Question <=-
Your response does nothing to answer the question...
Apologies.
I did not understand that your question was specific to a
specific current thread.
The current thread (following subsequent Subject changes)
all started with this one:
MSGID: 2:335/370 5f21ed49
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 23:32:06 +0200
Subject: FTN to Telegram
I managed to find that message in my data base, but it did not lead to
any other understanding. I don't know what Telegram is.
As I said, I would like to know what the current discussion is about
--
in a very generic over view sort of way. E.g. what is a telegram gate? How does this fit into Fidonet?
I managed to find that message in my data base, but it did
not lead to any other understanding. I don't know what
Telegram is.
On 09-06-20 11:16, Stas Mishchenkov <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Question <=-
I managed to find that message in my data base, but it did not lead to
any other understanding. I don't know what Telegram is.
https://telegram.org/faq
Q: What is Telegram? What do I do here?
Telegram is a messaging app with a focus on speed and
security, it's super-fast, simple and free. You can use
Telegram on all your devices at the same time - your
messages sync seamlessly across any number of your phones,
tablets or computers.
On 09-06-20 09:13, August Abolins <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Question: Telegram <=-
Ah.. Thanks for clarifying your confusion. I suppose that we
should have referred to Telegram with its official descriptive
name somewhere in the beginning as Telegram Messenger.
This describes it quite nicely:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telegram_(software)
The idea is to make echomail accessible on a smartphone. Think
of it as an alternative to the HotdogEd or Aftershock methods.
https://telegram.org/faq
Q: What is Telegram? What do I do here?
Thanks for the link. It does explain a lot for me. It
also let me know enough to know that it is not for me. To
start with, it sounds like it needs a mobile phone which I
don't have (yea -- old fogy) and/or SMS messaging. I
don't quite see how it is relevant to fidonet, but that is
ok.
The TgM+gate approach is not much different what Jamnntp does
to bring echomail to newsreader users.
If you would like to give it shot on your smartphone, install
Telegram and send me a Telegram message to @aabolins. I'll hook
you up to the namesake FUTURE4FIDO "group" over there.
If you would like to give it shot on your smartphone,
install Telegram and send me a Telegram message to
@aabolins. I'll hook you up to the namesake FUTURE4FIDO
"group" over there.
Does it currently only work with this echo?
Yes. FUTURE4FIDO is the only english-speaking Fidonet echo
gated on Telegram that I am aware of.
Hopefully more echo moderators would open up to the idea.
Hello Charles! ** On Monday 07.09.20 - 17:40, Charles Pierson
wrote to August Abolins:
If you would like to give it shot on your smartphone, install
Telegram and send me a Telegram message to @aabolins. I'll hook
you up to the namesake FUTURE4FIDO "group" over there.
Does it currently only work with this echo?Yes. FUTURE4FIDO is the only english-speaking Fidonet echo
gated on Telegram that I am aware of. Hopefully more echo
moderators would open up to the idea.
I moderate the following areas. The good folks in charge of TgM are welcome in any of these if they choose.
COFFEE_KLATSCH
DOOM
DOORGAMES
DOS
ESSNASA
FIDO-REQ
FIDO-UTIL
MOVIES
TAGLINES
TUXPOWER
That's great. To make Stas' job easier, and to give yourself
good moderator control of users, create the groups on Telegram
yourself - I would suggest as PRIVATE groups.
Then, give Stas the heads up and he would attach his Fido2telebot to them.
... Hopefully more echo moderators would open up to the
idea.
That would be nice. It's a great sounding idea. But with
only the one echo, it's kind of difficult to see it truly
working well.
On 09-07-20 20:12, August Abolins wrote to Charles Pierson <=-
I see that you are settled with HotdogEd. Tapping on a virtual
keyboard in a reply like this one would give me sore finger
joints. :D But, the whole idea is to a have handy portable
access to the echos to read. Replying is totally optional.
I moderate the following areas. The good folks in charge of TgM are welcome in any of these if they choose.
DOS
FIDO-REQ
That's great. To make Stas' job easier, and to give yourself
good moderator control of users, create the groups on Telegram
yourself - I would suggest as PRIVATE groups. Then, give Stas
the heads up and he would attach his Fido2telebot to them.
That would be nice. It's a great sounding idea. But with only the one echo, it's kind of difficult to see it truly working well.
Of course. The Telegram gate only came to my attention not long
ago. The whole concept is still quite new to me. This echo has
been a sort of 1st experiment for the last month or so. I'm
using TgM with the DT (desktop) version, and the results are
pretty good.
The concept is probably ready for prime time; that is, more
echos! :)
I don't see every echo suitable for this though. It's really up
to a moderator to decide.
I see that you are settled with HotdogEd. Tapping on a virtual keyboard in a reply like this one would give me sore finger
joints. :D But, the whole idea is to a have handy portable
access to the echos to read. Replying is totally optional.
If I had to put on my moderator hat I would do that from the fido
side. So far I haven't had to do that and I don't see that becoming an issue.
Of course. The Telegram gate only came to my attention not
long ago. The whole concept is still quite new to me. This
echo has been a sort of 1st experiment for the last month or
so.
I'm using TgM with the DT (desktop) version, and the
results are pretty good.
Of course. The Telegram gate only came to my attention not
long ago. The whole concept is still quite new to me. This
echo has been a sort of 1st experiment for the last month or
so.
Not at all. The first experiments were carried out with Russian-language echo conferences.
While not perfect, Telegram is the best solution I've seen so far. :)
to them.DOS
FIDO-REQ
These have now started gating like private groups in Telegram. August added
All members of the group can add others to the group.
I can do it in open groups, but it is fraught with SPAM.
As I create other echo conferences, I will do the same.
multiple echos correctly.The concept is probably ready for prime time; that is, more
echos! :)
I would think so. That would be the true test, seeing if it sorted
I see that you are settled with HotdogEd..
It can be awkward, but I'm getting more used to it.
HotdogEd has its limitations, but it works better for me than
telnet on the phone. And as you say, I can access echos
basically anywhere, so it is convenient.
I think it is worth creating an open GATE2FIDO group and to link it to theecho conference of the same name.
It can be awkward, but I'm getting more used to it. HotdogEd hasIf you are so inclined, your thoughts on the Fidonet<->TgM
its limitations, but it works better for me than telnet on the
phone. And as you say, I can access echos basically anywhere, so
it is convenient.
gate/usage would be useful.
I would be interested in checking it out. I'm not familiar with
Telegram, but I like trying new things.
On 09-08-20 19:30, August Abolins wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
On 08/09/2020 12:50 a.m., Tony Langdon : August Abolins wrote:
While not perfect, Telegram is the best solution I've seen so far. :)
In other respects it may be better. I think the message S)earch
feature is amazing. So, it is relatively easy to track down a
particular post.
When did Fido2telebot first go live?
Stas' message-find on the FTN side is pretty decent too.
Oh! OK, I think. ;)
While not perfect, Telegram is the best solution I've seen so far. :)
In other respects it may be better. I think the message S)earch feature is amazing. So, it is relatively easy to track down a particular post.
Stas' message-find on the FTN side is pretty decent too.
I like that links in messages are managed in their on section called "Shared Links". And that too is S)earchable.
Photos (Files?) & Videos have their own sections too. It's a convenient accessible cloud storage for stuff.
Sorry, but I have no one else in my contacts who could add others.
BTW ... I was going to reply to this message with Telegram but most of
the last paragraph is missing. For some reason, it seems to have been truncated after "(Files?)".
Where do I find the "Shared Links" section?
Photos (Files?) //[ampersand]// Videos have their own sections too. It's a convenient
accessible cloud storage for stuff.
Where do I find those sections?
BTW ... I was going to reply to this message with Telegram but most of
the last paragraph is missing. For some reason, it seems to have been truncated after "(Files?)".
Hi, Martin!
09 ᥭ 20 13:30, Martin Foster -> August Abolins:
BTW ... I was going to reply to this message with Telegram but most of the last paragraph is missing. For some reason, it seems to have been truncated after "(Files?)".
I already know about the "ampersant" problem. This is a drawback of the currently used method of sending messages to Telegram. It will be solved soon.
Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.
In other respects it may be better. I think the message
S)earch feature is amazing. ..
I haven't played with that side of things. I tend not to use
search features unless they're obvious in front of me.: /
And Telegram's handling of multimedia content is pretty
good.
When did Fido2telebot first go live?
I don't remember the exact date, but about a year and a half ago.
On 9/9/2020 5:13 AM, between "Stas Mishchenkov : August Abolins":Is it strictly for FIDO, or could it potentially work with other networks?
When did Fido2telebot first go live?
I don't remember the exact date, but about a year and a half ago.If you could assign your work a version number, what would it be
at this time?
If you could assign your work a version number, what
would it be at this time?
Is it strictly for FIDO, or could it potentially work
with other networks?
On 09-09-20 18:56, August Abolins wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
The S)earch symbol is *always* right at the top. ;)
And Telegram's handling of multimedia content is pretty
good.
Yes.. it's like each echo can have its own cloud storage accessible to everyone.
Where do I find the "Shared Links" section?
Photos (Files?) //[ampersand]// Videos have their own sections too.
It's a convenient accessible cloud storage for stuff.
Where do I find those sections?
I'l; reply in TgM on the above.
When did Fido2telebot first go live?
I don't remember the exact date, but about a year and a half ago.
If you could assign your work a version number, what would it be at this time?
Is it strictly for FIDO, or could it potentially work with other
networks?
Yes.. it's like each echo can have its own cloud storage accessible
to everyone.
Now if only there was something we could use for the BBS side and offline readers. :)
Is it strictly for FIDO, or could it potentially work with otherThe gate can work in any FTN network.
networks?
Is it strictly for FIDO, or could it potentially work with other
networks?
The gate can work in any FTN network.
That's interesting. I might look into interest in that.
Hi, Charles!
10 ᥭ 20 06:13, Charles Pierson -> Stas Mishchenkov:
Is it strictly for FIDO, or could it potentially work with other
networks?
The gate can work in any FTN network.
That's interesting. I might look into interest in that.
Unfortunately, the portability of the code is now very low. :(
Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.
On 09-10-20 13:46, Stas Mishchenkov wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
I can restore sending files from Telegram to Fido in the form of UUe.
;) Although, I strongly doubt that it will be better than now in the
form of URL.
On 09-10-20 12:27, Stas Mishchenkov wrote to Charles Pierson <=-
Hi, Charles!
09 ᥭ 20 22:04, Charles Pierson -> August Abolins:
Is it strictly for FIDO, or could it potentially work with other
networks?
The gate can work in any FTN network.
I can restore sending files from Telegram to Fido.. ..
Although, I strongly doubt that it will be better than
now in the form of URL.
Yeah, not many really good options. URLs in offline
readers are in the class of "ugly, but effective". :D
Especially with Multimail's console interface it's a lot
of mouse work - the keyboard shortcuts don't work in
Windows either. :(
Is it strictly for FIDO, or could it potentially work
with other networks?
The gate can work in any FTN network.
At this stage, as long as you're part of the netowrk, I'm
guessing.
The gate can work in any FTN network.
At this stage, as long as you're part of the netowrk, I'm
guessing.
Ja.. TgM gating is like Jamnntp gating - an extension of the
bbs system that implements it.
Ja.. TgM gating is like Jamnntp gating - an extension of
the bbs system that implements it.
I have to correct this.. JamNNTPd is not a gateway. It is
a nntp reader for JAM base.
Yeah, not many really good options. URLs in offline readers are in
the class of "ugly, but effective". :D Especially with Multimail's console interface it's a lot of mouse work - the keyboard shortcuts
don't work in Windows either. :(
Is it strictly for FIDO, or could it potentially work with other
networks?
The gate can work in any FTN network.
At this stage, as long as you're part of the netowrk, I'm guessing. ;)
Should we arrange a vote in favor of UUe or URL? ;)
Hello Stas!
** On Friday 11.09.20 - 23:19, Stas Mishchenkov wrote to Tony Langdon:
Should we arrange a vote in favor of UUe or URL? ;)
I think we can be fairly confident that noone would want UUE
here.
The links work very nicely. Access to files on the TgM side
is very cool.
--
../|ug
On 09-11-20 08:22, August Abolins wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
OpenXP doesn't have that problem! ;) The TAB key seeks out
anything that looks like a link in a message. When it lands
on the one you want, a tap on the C key copies the link to
clipboard. Then simply switch your browser to proceed.
On 09-11-20 17:31, August Abolins wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Ja.. TgM gating is like Jamnntp gating - an extension of the
bbs system that implements it.
On 09-11-20 23:19, Stas Mishchenkov wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Should we arrange a vote in favor of UUe or URL? ;)
On 09-11-20 23:22, Stas Mishchenkov wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
BTW, in the process of working on creating a gate, I gathered a
sufficient library of procedures to write a good tosser on a pearl. ;)
Should we arrange a vote in favor of UUe or URL? ;)
I think we can be fairly confident that noone would want UUE
here.
The links work very nicely. Access to files on the TgM side
is very cool.
I haven't messed around with UUE in decades. I doubt I'd remember how.
I can restore sending files from Telegram to Fido.. ..
Although, I strongly doubt that it will be better than
now in the form of URL.
Yeah, not many really good options. URLs in offline
readers are in the class of "ugly, but effective". :D
Especially with Multimail's console interface it's a lot
of mouse work - the keyboard shortcuts don't work in
Windows either. :(
OpenXP doesn't have that problem! ;) The TAB key seeks out
anything that looks like a link in a message. When it lands
on the one you want, a tap on the C key copies the link to
clipboard. Then simply switch your browser to proceed.
I think URL is the lesser of two evils,
because UUE handling is even wrse in most FTN software. ;)
BTW, in the process of working on creating a gate, I gathered a
sufficient library of procedures to write a good tosser on a pearl.
;)
If a more portable version of the Telegram gate ever comes about, I would be interested in running one on my othernet. :)
OpenXP doesn't have that problem! ;) The TAB key
seeks out anything that looks like a link in a message..
But I thought we already established that OpenXP might
not be sutable for me. )
This is not necessary to remember now. It is enough to know that
UUencoded files from all echo conferences that pass through my
node can be viewed at https://brorabbit.g0x.ru/uue/ ;)
That link works no problem with my point application here. So it works for me.
On 09-12-20 13:33, Stas Mishchenkov wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Hi, Tony!
12 ᥭ 20 16:00, Tony Langdon -> Stas Mishchenkov:
I think URL is the lesser of two evils,
It is for this reason that I did so as it is.
because UUE handling is even wrse in most FTN software. ;)
Anyone can improve this by using: https://github.com/huskyproject/hpt/blob/master/misc/uue.pm ;)
On 09-12-20 13:35, Stas Mishchenkov wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
The new part of the gate, copying messages from Fido to Telegram, is
quite portable. With a little portability tweak, I can share it. The
part copying from Telegram to Fido requires much more effort for its portability and I don't know yet when I will take it.
On 09-12-20 08:02, Jay Harris wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
On 12 Sep 2020, Tony Langdon said the following...
... A Canadian? It's like an American, without the gun, with health care.
And poutine! Don't forget the poutine!
On 09-12-20 08:29, August Abolins wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
But I thought we already established that OpenXP might
not be sutable for me. )
Heheh. Not "we". You wondered that it might not have the
portability across devices that you seek. But you said that
you might still like to give a visit.
Anyone can improve this by using:
https://github.com/huskyproject/hpt/blob/master/misc/uue.pm ;)
Too tosser specific and I can't see a way to pick up my file with my mail. ;)
I'm guessing it will eventually happen, emphasis on "eventually". ;)
??? That reference is lost on me (not a word that I understand).
... A Canadian? It's like an American, without the gun, with health c
And poutine! Don't forget the poutine!
??? That reference is lost on me (not a word that I understand).
On 13 Sep 2020, Tony Langdon said the following...
... A Canadian? It's like an American, without the gun, with health c
And poutine! Don't forget the poutine!
??? That reference is lost on me (not a word that I understand).
Poutine is a French Canadian dish that consists of french fries covered with >cheese curds & gravy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poutine
Jay
... What do you call a pig that does karate? Pork chop.
Poutine is a French Canadian dish
that consists of french fries covered with cheese curds & gravy.
Poutine is a French Canadian dish
Is this food typical only for Quebec or for all of Canada?
that consists of french fries covered with cheese curds & gravy.
Is gravy means "meat sauce"?
The gate can work in any FTN network.
At this stage, as long as you're part of the netowrk, I'm guessing. ;)
On 09-13-20 12:50, Stas Mishchenkov wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Hi, Tony!
13 ᥭ 20 18:45, Tony Langdon -> Stas Mishchenkov:
Anyone can improve this by using:
https://github.com/huskyproject/hpt/blob/master/misc/uue.pm ;)
Too tosser specific and I can't see a way to pick up my file with my mail. ;)
Not at all. You can use it without tosser.
On 09-13-20 13:20, Stas Mishchenkov wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Hi, Tony!
13 ᥭ 20 18:46, Tony Langdon -> Stas Mishchenkov:
I'm guessing it will eventually happen, emphasis on "eventually". ;)
If everything goes as I expect, then by about March 2021 it is quite possible.
On 09-13-20 13:21, Stas Mishchenkov wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Hi, Tony!
13 ᥭ 20 18:47, Tony Langdon -> Jay Harris:
??? That reference is lost on me (not a word that I understand).
Jay means Putin - the prsidetnt of Russian Federation. ;)
- Mr. President, they say Jen Psaki is pregnant.
- Is it just me or the whole of Russia being accused?
On 09-13-20 07:03, Jay Harris wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Poutine is a French Canadian dish that consists of french fries covered with cheese curds & gravy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poutine
On 09-13-20 20:20, Stas Mishchenkov wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Something tells me that I will leave the net only with my feet forward. But it can happen at any moment.
Anyone can improve this by using:
https://github.com/huskyproject/hpt/blob/master/misc/uue.pm ;)
Hmm, OK, still looking a bit ugly, given that the files are going to
be dumped somewhere on the BBS system. Suppose I could always run
Samba and share the file directory, so I can easily grab the files. :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poutine
OK, never heard of it (and sounds a little gross - I'm not a fan of gravy on chips at the best of time). :)
On 09-15-20 09:09, Stas Mishchenkov wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
In the example of using the library, you can explicitly specify where
the decoded files will be created. It can be anywhere.
On 09-15-20 09:22, Stas Mishchenkov wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
In our area some oane are also very fond of fried potatoes with fried onions and a little meat gravy, but no cheese. It is quite edible. This dish has no special name. Not often found in Crimea. It is rather
typical for Ukrainian cooking.
It's a pity, but yesterday my doctor explained to me in great detail
why I will never be able to try poutine. :(
In the example of using the library, you can explicitly specify where
the decoded files will be created. It can be anywhere.
But still not necessarily in a convenient place.
In our area some oane are also very fond of fried potatoes with fried
onions and a little meat gravy, but no cheese. It is quite edible.
This dish has no special name. Not often found in Crimea. It is
rather typical for Ukrainian cooking.
Oh, OK. Sounds a bit like what some people might snack on here.
It's a pity, but yesterday my doctor explained to me in great detail
why I will never be able to try poutine. :(
Dairy intolerant? High cholesterol? Or something worse?
On 09-16-20 07:27, Stas Mishchenkov wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Explain to me, if you can specify any place, why to specify an inconvenient one? ;)
On 09-16-20 07:30, Stas Mishchenkov wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
It is not used as a stand-alone dish. Usually a few good meatballs or a couple of chops are added to the plate. This is all eaten with a salad
of tomatoes, cucumbers and sweet onions with sour cream or sub-leaf or olive oil. It is unlikely that such a plentiful meal can be called a "snack".
Holichistitis, cholelithiasis, reactive pancreatitis. And I still
haven't eaten so many tasty things. ;)
On 09-16-20 07:27, Stas Mishchenkov wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Explain to me, if you can specify any place, why to specify an inconvenient one? ;)
On 09-16-20 07:30, Stas Mishchenkov wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
It is not used as a stand-alone dish. Usually a few good meatballs or a couple of chops are added to the plate. This is all eaten with a salad
of tomatoes, cucumbers and sweet onions with sour cream or sub-leaf or olive oil. It is unlikely that such a plentiful meal can be called a "snack".
Holichistitis, cholelithiasis, reactive pancreatitis. And I still
haven't eaten so many tasty things. ;)
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On 09-16-20 07:30, Stas Mishchenkov wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
It is not used as a stand-alone dish. Usually a few good meatballs or a
couple of chops are added to the plate. This is all eaten with a salad
of tomatoes, cucumbers and sweet onions with sour cream or sub-leaf or
olive oil. It is unlikely that such a plentiful meal can be called a
"snack".
Oh, OK. Yeah that does sound like a decent meal. :)
Holichistitis, cholelithiasis, reactive pancreatitis. And I still
haven't eaten so many tasty things. ;)
Hmm, I'm not familiar with those issues, might have to consult Dr Google (though I'm catching up after being at a major industrial accident for most of the day, and probably won't remember). :/
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