• The record shop.

    From Denis Mosko@2:5064/54.1315 to All on Wed Apr 15 22:32:00 2020
    Hi, All!

    To give you a better idea of the different aspects of computers and their uss we will look at a possible application by describing a functional CASE STUDY. A
    case study is a detailed look at one particular situation. Let us imagine the case of a high street shop selling pop records.

    Let us suppose that the ownwer of the shop, John Jackson, is thinking about buying a computer to help out with his record keeping, stock control and letter
    writing.

    Q(uestion). What is the difference between the various types of record in computing, a paper record, and the kind of record that would be sold in the shop?


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  • From Dallas Hinton@1:153/7715 to Denis Mosko on Wed Apr 15 13:00:38 2020
    Hi Denis -- on Apr 15 2020 at 22:32, you wrote:


    To give you a better idea of the different aspects of computers and
    [...]
    Q(uestion). What is the difference between the various types of
    record in computing, a paper record, and the kind of record that
    would be sold in the shop?

    (as an aside) This question reads as though it were some sort of exam.
    The language is upper high school, but the knowledge level required to
    answer is middle school (at least for us old folks!).

    The pop record is a flat vinyl disk containing spiral grooves which a mechanical arm ("needle") follows to convert the movements from analogue
    to audible (via an amplifier of some sort). Once very popular, the
    invention of the CD almost destroyed the industry but it is now making a comeback.

    A paper record is a way of tracking purchases, sales, returns, and taxes
    (and possibly inventory) on a sheet(s) of paper. A very traditional
    method of record keeping and still in use in some small shops.

    A computer record is digital information stored ("encoded") such that a computer can convert the digital information into analogue text to be
    read on a screen or printed out. It duplicates the paper records
    mentioned above, but offers the advantage of automatic calculations,
    speed of entry, the ability to sort quickly through a listing to extract information. The disadvantage is that being only digital the information
    is easily destroyed by power surges, physical damage, etc.



    Cheers... Dallas

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  • From Anton Shepelev@2:221/6 to Dallas Hinton on Wed Apr 15 23:30:16 2020
    Dallas Hinton:

    The pop record is a flat vinyl disk containing spiral grooves
    which a mechanical arm ("needle") follows to convert the
    movements from analogue to audible (via an amplifier of some
    sort).

    Does not the same hold true of a rock record or a jazz record?
    Do you remember Bull Moose Jackson's ribald:

    Then she starts to craving for my big ten-inch...
    Record of the band that play the blues!

    The disk can also be made of shellac, which, although noisier, has
    its advantages.

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  • From Dallas Hinton@1:153/7715 to Anton Shepelev on Wed Apr 15 18:31:31 2020
    Hi Anton -- on Apr 15 2020 at 23:30, you wrote:

    Does not the same hold true of a rock record or a jazz record?

    Absolutely!

    Do you remember Bull Moose Jackson's ribald:

    Then she starts to craving for my big ten-inch...
    Record of the band that play the blues!

    :-)

    The disk can also be made of shellac, which, although noisier, has
    its advantages.

    It could also be made of platinum which was used when pressing records,
    but both types are very rare these days!


    Cheers... Dallas

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  • From Anton Shepelev@2:221/6 to Dallas Hinton on Thu Apr 16 13:21:52 2020
    Dallas Hinton:

    The disk can also be made of shellac, which, although
    noisier, has its advantages.

    It could also be made of platinum which was used when pressing
    records, but both types are very rare these days!

    For aught I know, recording was made by a lathe, originally driven
    directly by the acoustic signal, and later by an electric amplifier.
    One or more metal "matrices" were made from this disk by the
    process of galvanoplastics. These matrices were then used in
    "printing" shellac and vinyl disks. Unlike magnetic tape, these
    disks do not deteriorate over time (but because of wear) and
    usually contain a more direct and transparent presentation of the
    sound that was heard in the studio, because tapes were often heavily
    abused during mastering and mixing.

    I never knew whether those platinum disks, awarded to musicians,
    were really playable on the turn-table. If they are, it is new
    source for the remasterers of old records: bettern than both
    deteriorated tape and worn-out vinyl...

    The movie "Two sisters from Boston" has a good enactment of the
    natural recording process, but somebody has removed it from Youtube.

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  • From Dallas Hinton@1:153/7715 to Anton Shepelev on Thu Apr 16 06:06:00 2020
    Hi Anton -- on Apr 16 2020 at 13:21, you wrote:

    disks do not deteriorate over time (but because of wear) and
    usually contain a more direct and transparent presentation of the
    sound that was heard in the studio, because tapes were often heavily
    abused during mastering and mixing.

    Quite correct, although it was possible (and done!) to abuse the
    recording process long before it got to disk!

    I never knew whether those platinum disks, awarded to musicians,
    were really playable on the turn-table. If they are, it is new
    source for the remasterers of old records: bettern than both
    deteriorated tape and worn-out vinyl...

    I don't know - but I know someone who has 3 or 4 of them, so I'll ask
    him!

    The movie "Two sisters from Boston" has a good enactment of the
    natural recording process, but somebody has removed it from Youtube.

    Too bad.



    Cheers... Dallas

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  • From Denis Mosko@2:5064/54.1315 to All on Thu Apr 16 17:26:36 2020
    Hi, All!

    The first thing John Jackson did was to ask some friends who owned their own computers about what sort of computer to get. The first person he talked to summarized it by saying:
    'You need at least 2Gb of RAM with *twin USB-drives* and *laser-printer* with associated software'.
    A second friend said:
    'What you need is a *64-bit* machine with *VDU*, *hard-drive* and *daisy-wheel*
    attached'.
    At this point John went awaynpt undestanding a word, and almost gave up hope.

    TASK. Explain each of the *emphasized* words above in simple language in a sentence, to show the meaning of each.

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  • From Anton Shepelev@2:221/6 to Dallas Hinton on Thu Apr 16 18:07:20 2020
    Dallas Hinton - Anton Shepelev:

    disks do not deteriorate over time (but because of wear) and
    usually contain a more direct and transparent presentation of
    the sound that was heard in the studio, because tapes were
    often heavily abused during mastering and mixing.

    Quite correct, although it was possible (and done!) to abuse the
    recording process long before it got to disk!

    In the chest of singer, at the finger tips of the musiscian?

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  • From Dallas Hinton@1:153/7715 to Anton Shepelev on Thu Apr 16 10:09:37 2020
    Hi Anton -- on Apr 16 2020 at 18:07, you wrote:

    Quite correct, although it was possible (and done!) to abuse the
    recording process long before it got to disk!

    In the chest of singer, at the finger tips of the musiscian?

    More often at the fingers of a clumsy audio technician.

    Cheers... Dallas

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  • From Dallas Hinton@1:153/7715 to Denis Mosko on Thu Apr 16 10:10:08 2020
    Hi Denis -- on Apr 16 2020 at 17:26, you wrote:

    The first thing John Jackson did was to ask some friends who owned
    their own computers about what sort of computer to get. The first
    person he talked to summarized it by saying:
    'You need at least 2Gb of RAM with *twin USB-drives* and
    *laser-printer* with associated software'. A second friend said:
    'What you need is a *64-bit* machine with *VDU*, *hard-drive* and
    *daisy-wheel* attached'.
    At this point John went awaynpt undestanding a word, and almost gave up
    hope.

    TASK. Explain each of the *emphasized* words above in simple
    language in a sentence, to show the meaning of each.

    Twin USB-drives. A USB drive is also called a thumb drive. Twinning them
    simply means have 2 slots for such a drive. Modern computers typically
    have anywhere from 4 to 10 slots.

    A laser printer is a type of printer using a heated drum to attract and
    then deposit very fine ink particles on the page. The heat then fuses
    these particles to form a very sharp image, whether text or photo.

    A 64 bit machine is one that operates on 64 bit of data at once.
    Windows7 and later are 64 bit operating systems.

    A VDU is a video display unit -- what we call a monitor.

    A hard-drive is a device for storing data encoded onto a metallic disk
    via a magnetic process. Technically, only a spinning disk is a
    hard-drive but we use the term to include Solid-state drives as well.
    And before you ask, a solid-state drive is simply a USB drive in a
    different physical shape.

    A daisy-wheel was a type of printer that used a typewriter ribbon and a spinning (daisy-wheel) disk. The disk was spun until the desired
    character was in place, then struck through the ribbon onto the paper.
    They were soon replaced by the dot-matrix printer, which then gave way
    to the laser printer.




    Cheers... Dallas

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  • From Anton Shepelev@2:221/6 to Dallas Hinton on Thu Apr 16 20:27:30 2020
    Dallas Hinton - Anton Shepelev:

    In the chest of singer, at the finger tips of the musiscian?

    More often at the fingers of a clumsy audio technician.

    There, too. But with direct-to-disk recording with no
    post-processing and fewer variables and adjustments, the whole
    process was simpler and more transparent. The noble art of
    microphone and musician placement served intead of polymicrophone
    techniques with close-miking, and downmixing from 64 channels :-)

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  • From Dallas Hinton@1:153/7715 to Anton Shepelev on Thu Apr 16 14:48:31 2020
    Hi Anton -- on Apr 16 2020 at 20:27, you wrote:

    There, too. But with direct-to-disk recording with no
    post-processing and fewer variables and adjustments, the whole
    process was simpler and more transparent. The noble art of
    microphone and musician placement served intead of polymicrophone techniques with close-miking, and downmixing from 64 channels :-)

    Yes. One of the best recordings I ever heard (and I don't remember any
    of the details now) was a symphony orchestra recorded with a single
    microphone hanging centrally from the ceiling. It shouldn't have had any
    stereo effect but it certainly did!


    Cheers... Dallas

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  • From Dallas Hinton@1:153/7715 to Anton Shepelev on Thu Apr 16 14:51:06 2020
    Hi Anton -- on Apr 16 2020 at 13:21, you wrote:

    It could also be made of platinum which was used when pressing
    records, but both types are very rare these days!

    I checked with my friend who told me that he thought they might survive
    one or two playings but the coating is actually quite thin and soft -
    not designed to be playable.



    Cheers... Dallas

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  • From Anton Shepelev@2:221/6 to Dallas Hinton on Fri Apr 17 01:26:50 2020
    Dallas Hinton - Anton Shepelev:

    One of the best recordings I ever heard (and I don't remember any
    of the details now)

    I wish you did!

    was a symphony orchestra recorded with a single microphone
    hanging centrally from the ceiling. It shouldn't have had any
    stereo effect but it certainly did!

    No stereo there, but you don't need stereo to have a feeling of
    space. Reverbertaion is much more important and may very well
    register on a monophonic recording. The only remotely natural
    stereo techniques are those employing two microphones and based on
    phase difference (A-B, SASS) rather than loundness difference (X-Y). Deplorably, very little of modern music is produced in tolerable
    stereo.

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  • From Anton Shepelev@2:221/6 to Dallas Hinton on Fri Apr 17 01:29:06 2020
    Dallas Hinton - Anton Shepelev:

    It could also be made of platinum which was used when
    pressing records, but both types are very rare these days!

    I checked with my friend who told me that he thought they might
    survive one or two playings but the coating is actually quite
    thin and soft - not designed to be playable

    Then it is better to use them for pressing a fresh record, and
    remaster from that. Some hi-tech non-destuctive techniques exists,
    such as a laser-scanning turntabel or some more expensive 3d
    scannanning. But the results are no good.

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  • From Dallas Hinton@1:153/7715 to Anton Shepelev on Thu Apr 16 17:27:18 2020
    Hi Anton -- on Apr 17 2020 at 01:29, you wrote:

    Then it is better to use them for pressing a fresh record, and
    remaster from that. Some hi-tech non-destuctive techniques exists,
    such as a laser-scanning turntabel or some more expensive 3d
    scannanning. But the results are no good.

    Well, the platinum (and gold) records are keepsakes, not intended to be
    used for anything except hanging on the wall!

    Cheers... Dallas

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  • From Dallas Hinton@1:153/7715 to Anton Shepelev on Thu Apr 16 17:28:31 2020
    Hi Anton -- on Apr 17 2020 at 01:26, you wrote:

    No stereo there, but you don't need stereo to have a feeling of
    space. Reverbertaion is much more important and may very well
    register on a monophonic recording. The only remotely natural
    stereo techniques are those employing two microphones and based on
    phase difference (A-B, SASS) rather than loundness difference (X-Y).

    Yup.

    Deplorably, very little of modern music is produced in tolerable
    stereo.

    Why bother with stereo in order to hear 2 or 3 guitars and a drum kit?
    :-)


    Cheers... Dallas

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  • From Anton Shepelev@2:221/6 to Dallas Hinton on Fri Apr 17 22:59:44 2020
    Dallas Hinton - Anton Shepelev:

    Deplorably, very little of modern music is produced in
    tolerable stereo.

    Why bother with stereo in order to hear 2 or 3 guitars and a drum
    kit? :-)

    Well, the whole album of "American Journy" is solo piano recorded
    in very tender A-B stereo. I myself have recorded guitar and vocal
    with a spaced pair of cheap condenser microhpones, and although I
    was never satisfied with the result, the experice convinced me that
    stereo makes a difference even with a single insturment. If
    nothing else, it changes the preception of the room.

    The major drawback of any stereo is the loss of defintion on
    account of "cross signals" -- from right speaker to left ear and
    vice versa.

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  • From August Abolins@2:221/360 to Dallas Hinton on Fri Apr 17 23:37:42 2020
    On 4/16/2020 7:48 AM, between "Dallas Hinton : Anton Shepelev":

    Yes. One of the best recordings I ever heard (and I don't
    remember any of the details now) was a symphony orchestra
    recorded with a single microphone hanging centrally from the
    ceiling. It shouldn't have had any stereo effect but it
    certainly did!

    Can't they add those effects later? I believe that's the same technique that was accomplished from the original mono recordings by the Beatles.


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  • From Anton Shepelev@2:221/6 to August Abolins on Sat Apr 18 00:29:00 2020
    August Abolins - Dallas Hinton:

    DH> Yes. One of the best recordings I ever heard (and I don't
    DH> remember any of the details now) was a symphony orchestra
    DH> recorded with a single microphone hanging centrally from the
    DH> ceiling. It shouldn't have had any stereo effect but it
    DH> certainly did!

    Can't they add those effects later?

    Adding artificial stereo, including stereo reverb to a
    single-micorophone monophonic recording would ruin the purity and
    beauty of the recording technique. If one wants stereo, one should
    start by recording in stereo.

    On the other hand, search for "accidental stereo" for many
    interesting results!

    I believe that's the same technique that was accomplished from
    the original mono recordings by the Beatles.

    Not quite. With The Beatles, they probalby re-mixed the original
    multichannel tapes (or their copies, for magnetic tapes have to be
    copied once in 20 years or so, losing quality!) in stereo by
    panning some or all of the channels more or less off-center. It not
    true, time-based stereo, but its loudness-based surrogate.

    I have both of those orange-blue Beatles box sets where the first
    half of each CD has a sequence of mono tracks and the second half --
    a sequence of corresponding stereo tracks. Whereas my loudspeaker is monophonic, I never listened to the stereo half :-)

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  • From Dallas Hinton@1:153/7715 to Anton Shepelev on Fri Apr 17 20:36:37 2020
    Hi Anton -- on Apr 17 2020 at 22:59, you wrote:

    The major drawback of any stereo is the loss of defintion on
    account of "cross signals" -- from right speaker to left ear and
    vice versa.

    Which is why I use headphones for really critical listening! :-)

    Cheers... Dallas

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  • From Dallas Hinton@1:153/7715 to August Abolins on Fri Apr 17 20:37:12 2020
    Hi August -- on Apr 17 2020 at 23:37, you wrote:

    Can't they add those effects later? I believe that's the same
    technique that was accomplished from the original mono recordings by
    the Beatles.

    It's just not the same as actually recording that way. Of course, going
    to the other extreme (as is sometimes done) you have 1 mike per player
    and then you can have all sorts of fun in the mix! :-)


    Cheers... Dallas

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  • From Denis Mosko@2:5064/54.1315 to Dallas Hinton on Sat Apr 18 13:44:16 2020
    Can't they add those effects later? I believe that's the same
    technique that was accomplished from the original mono recordings
    by the Beatles.

    It's just not the same as actually recording that way. Of course,
    going to the other extreme (as is sometimes done) you have 1 mike per player and then you can have all sorts of fun in the mix! :-)
    Dallas!
    1 headphone (left side of head) of 2 headphones for Two pupils?

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  • From Dallas Hinton@1:153/7715 to Denis Mosko on Sat Apr 18 12:26:04 2020
    Hi Denis -- on Apr 18 2020 at 13:44, you wrote:

    1 headphone (left side of head) of 2 headphones for Two pupils?

    I don't understand you, Denis -- sharing headphones doesn't work well.
    I've recorded using headphones to hear other instruments and/or a click
    track - sometimes it's easier to get a blend if I wear only one
    headphone, but it's essential to mute the unused side so it doesn't
    bleed into the recording - I've seen audio engineers go beserk over
    that!

    Would you clarify your question, please?


    Cheers... Dallas

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  • From Anton Shepelev@2:221/6 to Dallas Hinton on Sat Apr 18 22:59:56 2020
    Dallas Hinton:

    Of course, going to the other extreme (as is sometimes done)
    you have 1 mike per player and then you can have all sorts of fun
    in the mix! :-)

    One mike per player is nothing! How many mikes do your see installed
    on a typical drum set? This polymicrohone technique suffres from
    bleeding (of the singnal to other mikes), phrase problems, the
    playing of each instrument in its own (often artificial) acoustic
    space, and the inablity to employ true (time-based) stereo, a
    result that is completely and the sound engineer's disposal.

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  • From Anton Shepelev@2:221/6 to Dallas Hinton on Sat Apr 18 23:04:14 2020
    Dallas Hinton:

    Why bother with stereo in order to hear 2 or 3 guitars and a drum
    kit?

    That put me in mind of The Ventures:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owq7hgzna3E

    who would be disappointed at your remark!

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  • From Anton Shepelev@2:221/6 to Dallas Hinton on Sat Apr 18 23:11:06 2020
    Dallas Hinton - Anton Shepelev:

    The major drawback of any stereo is the loss of defintion on
    account of "cross signals" -- from right speaker to left ear
    and vice versa.

    Which is why I use headphones for really critical listening! :-)

    Good headphones are indeed indispensible for critical listening
    from the the technical, sound engineering, point of view (or
    hearing?), but I never get either the visceral or the spiritual
    effect that a good loudspeaker has to offer!

    Such great musisicans as Elvis Presely at Sun Records or Fats
    Domino at J&M Music Shop (the leading independent Studio in 1950's
    New Orlears, run by Cosimo Matassa), used loudspeakders for and
    listening to their own takes.

    Even the legendary Mercury Living Presnence relied upon three
    "Voice of Theatre" loudpeakers, because they recorded with three
    micropones.

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  • From Dallas Hinton@1:153/7715 to Anton Shepelev on Sat Apr 18 14:54:37 2020
    Hi Anton -- on Apr 18 2020 at 22:59, you wrote:

    One mike per player is nothing! How many mikes do your see installed
    on a typical drum set? This polymicrohone technique suffres from
    bleeding (of the singnal to other mikes), phrase problems, the
    playing of each instrument in its own (often artificial) acoustic
    space, and the inablity to employ true (time-based) stereo, a
    result that is completely and the sound engineer's disposal.

    All true -- I was thinking more orchestrally, where there isn't a drum
    kit. Close miking in that situation does still bleed, but gives the
    engineer a lot of post-recording control for solos, etc....


    Cheers... Dallas

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  • From Dallas Hinton@1:153/7715 to Anton Shepelev on Sat Apr 18 14:56:08 2020
    Hi Anton -- on Apr 18 2020 at 23:11, you wrote:

    Good headphones are indeed indispensible for critical listening
    from the the technical, sound engineering, point of view (or
    hearing?), but I never get either the visceral or the spiritual
    effect that a good loudspeaker has to offer!

    True! And the same order of magnitude applies between speakers and live
    music!

    Even the legendary Mercury Living Presnence relied upon three
    "Voice of Theatre" loudpeakers, because they recorded with three micropones.

    My platinum owning friend uses speakers for most of his recording work
    (he has his own studio in the basement and does a lot of small group recording).


    Cheers... Dallas

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  • From Anton Shepelev@2:221/6 to Dallas Hinton on Sun Apr 19 01:06:26 2020
    Dallas Hinton - Anton Shepelev:

    Good headphones are indeed indispensible for critical
    listening from the the technical, sound engineering, point of
    view (or hearing?), but I never get either the visceral or
    the spiritual effect that a good loudspeaker has to offer!

    True! And the same order of magnitude applies between speakers
    and live music!

    If not higher.

    Even the legendary Mercury Living Presnence relied upon three
    "Voice of Theatre" loudpeakers, because they recorded with
    three micropones.

    My platinum owning friend uses speakers for most of his recording
    work (he has his own studio in the basement and does a lot of
    small group recording).

    Has he a SoundCloud account? (pardon my impudence).

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  • From Anton Shepelev@2:221/6 to Anton Shepelev on Sun Apr 19 01:09:04 2020
    Anton Shepelev - Dallas Hinton:

    True! And the same order of magnitude applies between speakers
    and live music!

    If not higher

    Or should I have written: "If not a higher one," where `one' stands
    for `order'?

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  • From Denis Mosko@2:5064/54.1315 to Dallas Hinton on Sun Apr 19 01:56:10 2020
    Good headphones are indeed indispensible for critical listening
    from the the technical, sound engineering, point of view (or
    hearing?), but I never get either the visceral or the spiritual
    effect that a good loudspeaker has to offer!

    True! And the same order of magnitude applies between speakers and
    live music!

    Even the legendary Mercury Living Presnence relied upon three
    "Voice of Theatre" loudpeakers, because they recorded with three
    micropones.

    My platinum owning friend uses speakers for most of his recording work
    (he has his own studio in the basement and does a lot of small group
    What is basement and in which basementen, Dallas?

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  • From Dallas Hinton@1:153/7715 to Anton Shepelev on Sat Apr 18 23:37:09 2020
    Hi Anton -- on Apr 19 2020 at 01:06, you wrote:

    Has he a SoundCloud account? (pardon my impudence).

    Yes, but I don't know the url. Go to frankludwig.ca and you can link
    from there.


    Cheers... Dallas

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  • From Dallas Hinton@1:153/7715 to Anton Shepelev on Sat Apr 18 23:38:31 2020
    Hi Anton -- on Apr 19 2020 at 01:09, you wrote:

    If not higher

    Or should I have written: "If not a higher one," where `one' stands
    for `order'?

    Either is correct in casual speech. We often seem to omit "one" or its equivalent.

    Cheers... Dallas

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  • From Dallas Hinton@1:153/7715 to Denis Mosko on Sat Apr 18 23:39:16 2020
    Hi Denis -- on Apr 19 2020 at 01:56, you wrote:

    My platinum owning friend uses speakers for most of his recording work
    (he has his own studio in the basement and does a lot of small group

    What is basement and in which basementen, Dallas?

    A basement on this continent is a space below the main living floor.
    Often it's entirely or mostly below ground. Typically we consider the
    space to be "unfinished", meaning there are just bare studs forming the
    walls (you can see the back side of whatevercovers the outside of the
    house at that level). The ceiling is usually unfinished also, so when
    you look up you see the bare floor joists and the underside of the floor boards. I should mention that most construction here on the West Coast
    (and in many other places in North America) is wood frame, so we have
    wooden joists (horizontal) and studs (vertical) forming the frame, with plasterboard, wood, stucco, etc. covering the frame. Brick and concrete construction is quite rare other than in large commercial buildings. For examples, google Vancouver and go to street view.

    In Frank's case, his basement is at ground level (because in his area
    the water table is quite high) and it's completely finished with a
    couple of bedrooms, bathroom, sitting room. It had an enclosed garage as
    part of the basement but he's converted that into a recording studio
    with a sound-isolated control room at one end.


    Cheers... Dallas

    --- timEd/NT 1.30+
    * Origin: The BandMaster, Vancouver, CANADA (1:153/7715)